Jalen Ramsey Show – 012: Ethics in Investing Partners


Welcome back to The Jalen Ramsey Show. We’re here every weekish to have a conversation about your life and your money. Open lines at 818-338-0011. Time to take your calls and, some say, the advice is worth exactly what you pay for it! Let’s start off today out west with Josh in Las Vegas, Nevada. Welcome to The Jalen Ramsey Show, Josh.

Thanks for taking my call, Mr Ramsey. How are you doing today?

Better than the Jaguars under Tom Coughlin. How can I help?

Well, to give you a little background, I’m a first round pick, second year player, and was an ROY candidate. I’m the lead back on my team and feel confident that, if I continue to work, I’ll have a nice little career here in the league. Given my circumstances and that my father did the best he could raising my siblings and me in abject poverty, I went out and bought him a house last offseason.

What a wonderful way to honor your father.

I thought so. He’s a good man and, Jalen, I didn’t go break the bank or anything. I got $6.69 million at signing and I just took the cash out of that. I figured that was the right move. But now my buddies are saying I should have gotten a mortgage on the house and just invested that cash because I could borrow for less than I’ll make in investments. Or, like, maybe I should have bought it for me then paid myself for my father’s rent to live there and kind of create a cash flow vehicle. I’m kind of second-guessing and wanted to get your thoughts.

No. You did it right. But this is a good question — if I can borrow at 2% and invest at 8%, that’s a six point spread. Assuming, of course, you make 8%. Because if you make 1% or lose money — you still owe the full payment plus 2%. So that’s the risk. The reward, as we noted, is 6% on say a $300,000 loan. The question to ask someone without millions of dollars in the bank is, “hey, if this is such a great move, why not borrow on everything and pad your wealth-building with those savings?” Well, because of the risk obviously. When you miss payments on a car or house, you could lose the asset through repossession or foreclosure and get nothing for it.

I don’t consider myself in that situation though. I mean, I am financially well off. Knock of wood that nothing crazy happens and I am set for life.

Right. So why not borrow? Well, I’d like propose a strong ethical reason to reject an unnecessary loan of any kind. And that reason is simple — a portion of any dollar you pay to banks or lending houses is laundered back in programs and lobbyists that damage our communities. So staying with our example, you borrow at 2% and that 2% is used for what? Sure, you got the 6% on the spread to pad your retirement portfolio or whatever — but what does that 2% go to? It goes to executives at Well Fargo or whoever your lender — which is really an investment partner in your scenario — is who will then donate to political candidates and causes that promote redlining laws, which hurt men like your father who need a home, sacrifice like a montherfucker, but don’t have an NFL player to bail them out.

I mean, I can’t buy a house for everyone. I think I made a good —

No one is attacking you here. But you’ve got a lot of money now and how you spend that money matters. We are in a moment of social justice and part of that is economic justice. We all know how seedy check cashing and payday loan business are; they’re predatory loan sharks. Banks are no different — in fact, America’s biggest banks own many of these businesses. It’s just marketing and logistics to churn through payday loan customers with less fanfare than middle class account holders who need to be assuaged at a local branch by some kid in a suit. But these payday loan stores make huge profits that paralyze their customers with debt and then they use a portion of those profits to fight laws against their business and falsify claims that their businesses benefit communities on the whole. Hell, who do you think was the force behind gutting the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Banks. Banks that want to prey on people but had the CFPB watching out for the consumer.

But the mortgage would have been at like 3%. The payday loan places are like 20%.

They’d get 20% if they could. Look, most people need to get a mortgage so that’s kind of baked in to our culture. But you don’t. You don’t need to give Wells Fargo another 3% in their arsenol. You’re trying to help your community; Wells Fargo is, objectively, harming your community. They’re a known commodity.

I use Bank of America so…

Fuck you! Pay attention! Do not do business with these people! I mean, no one should but, on a per capita basis, your wealth gives them a lot of ammunition to use against our communities than, say, the family with $12K in the bank and a $15,000 car loan.

I am all for the social justice stuff. I just didn’t realize it went so deep.

It’s everywhere and these assholes are, for now, necessary evils. But we don’t need to be promoting big banks or acting like they’re anything other than cancers in our community. Period. Full stop. Sure would be nice to have banking services at every post office, huh? Not on Chase’s watch. How about a college loan program where the lenders do anything more than take the cash from the treasury window, mark it up, and issue hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to attend Trump University without any risk to themselves? Fuck — how about just recognizing that continually laundering money for cartels because the profits are greater than the losses (and no individuals are ever held to criminal charges) maybe isn’t the kind of value system we should have attached to damn near every dollar in domestic circulation?

I didn’t know they were such a problem.

That’s because another big chunk of their profits goes to marketing and advertising so that people aren’t aware that the institutions raping their community are businesses they feel they know quite intimately.

So you think I did the right thing?

Mathematically, when you technically consider risk, the answer is a bit vague because of your wealth. From an ethical standpoint — including, how wonderful for your father to be the outright owner of a home after all he did for you and your siblings — you did the right thing by avoiding a mortgage that would simply be interest dollars paid to keep children homeless, just as you experienced.

Alright, thanks for the advice. I feel a lot better knowing I didn’t inadvertently hurt my community with this move.

Good call. Ethics matter. I mean, Josh here isn’t calling about stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving children but just because you can make a buck doesn’t always mean you should. And I want everyone out there listening to understand, I’m not saying you can’t choose who to do business with. You’ve got a household to feed; go steal that loaf of bread. But when you’ve got a lot of wealth that means you have a lot of power. So part of financial responsibility isn’t just protecting and growing your money, it’s also preventing it from being used to harm others, as best you can. No one with a multimillion dollar worth like Josh here should ever give one cent to these horrible institutions.

We have  some time left so let’s go to line two where we have Dan calling in from the swamp in D.C.. Dan, welcome to the show.

Hello Jalen. I appreciate you taking my call today. Ummm…I guess the reason I am phoning in is because I am kind of in an odd situation here. I own a team that has been quite unsuccessful and many have blamed on my hands-on ownership style as part of the problem. Now it SEEMS that our team is leading the division and, I think by coincidence, most of my time has been focused on dealing with team naming issues and COVID quarantining. In fact, I missed a game because of it so you can see how —

Need you to get to the questions here, Mr Team Owner.

How soon should I exercise my rights, you know as the owner, and get back to tampering with the day to day on-field and roster moves? I don’t want to lose my edge.

Well, we host the Redacteds on October 11th so, from my point of view, get in there now and start spreading your wisdom and knowledge immediately. You need to keep ideas fresh in that locker room.

Right! Never let things get stale! It’s a copycat league!

Sure. Whatever. Exactly right. So, do whatever it takes but I really hope you take my advice on this one.  


Had to keep it short this week because I need to catch a plane to Buffalo. Let me call my shot right here — Josh Allen is surging, per CBS, in the QB power rankings. He’s beat the Jets and the Dolphins. We’re going to embarrass him and remind everyone at home why NFL media hacks are nothing more than NFL media hacks. For all our listeners out there, you all sit tight, mask up, and we’ll see you next time, right here, on The Jalen Ramsey Show.

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BrettFavresColonoscopy

Jesus, that first part is so deep and spot on

/transfers more money from Wells to Credit Union

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

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I feel good, I’m hungry. Everything is okay now.

Viva La Tabula Raza

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FEELS GOOD, MAN!

ballsofsteelandfury

Very nice!

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Alienerotic explosion.

bk109

Well, I have the definitive proof that we’re living in the darkest timeline (from the bbc)

Vietnamese police have seized more than 320,000 used condoms that were to be illegally resold to unsuspecting customers, local media report.
Footage showed dozens of bags that together weighed 360kg (794lbs) in a warehouse that was recently raided in the southern Binh Duong province.
A woman, who was believed to be the owner of the warehouse, was arrested.
The condoms were reportedly washed, reshaped with wooden dildos and then repackaged before being resold.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54284355

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

The workers that sucked the sperm out did get overtime pay, so……

Viva La Tabula Raza

Where the hell did they get that many?

Beerguyrob

Knock of wood that nothing crazy happens and I am set for life.

Unless you get traded to the Chargers & treated by their “doctor”.

bk109

Wait?! That actually happened? I legitimately thought that was just u’tree making a joke (admittedly, I was only half-paying attention to this week’s Sportsball)

Beerguyrob

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29952469/chargers-qb-tyrod-taylor-lung-punctured-team-doc-sources-say

And it’s not the incompetent doctor they fired a few years ago. It’s his replacement.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Legit shanked pregame. Albeit a little more sterile than in the State Penn. or Penn State, whichever.

Beerguyrob

Different holes get stabbed at different Penns.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Well, additional holes, some holes have a Venn commonality.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

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Still no camera for my meetings. But I don’t have these qualifications either.

bk109

Legit question – has she had some work done on her, because I saw her in 21 Jump Street yesterday and (even accounting for aging) the differences appear massive?

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

She was ~20, 21 when that movie was made and seems to have had ‘baby fat’ …. now she just looks to me to be more leaned out at 31. She doesn’t have that plastic surgery look to me. Let’s go to the experts; gossip sites! Either way she is cute as hell IMO.

bk109

… Agree to disagree on that, dunno why but in newer roles I’ve always found her as “Hollywood bland” (for lack of a better descriptor). I’ll be the better anonymous internet commenter and leave her all to you 😀

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Thus the “IMO”…. although my taste runs a….. broad …..range. She’s definitely done a lot of physical training. I suppose most of them have work done, just some of it a lot more obvious.

bk109

Nothing wrong against that if it’s done of one’s free will and after thinking stuff through. Hell, in her line of work (and from what I’ve heard about actress’ career longevity) surgery may literally be the difference between having a long career and becoming this generations “Oh,yeah… her… I wonder why her career stalled” like oh-so-many before

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

According to this site she is robocop:
https://celebshistory.com/brie-larson-plastic-surgery

These guys are little less clickbate or have been sued:
https://plasticsurgerymagz.com/brie-larson-plastic-surgery-before-and-after-photos/

bk109

Honestly, the only thing I’m sure of is that she looked better before she “leaned out”. Either way – it’s her body, her career and her choice (and this joke/research is from the wife and one of the many reasons why I know I lucked out -> “…her choice to do barely any nude scenes”) , I was just remarking that I didn’t recognize her and it’s not that old of a movie

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

I want to see full gash, or if it’s a historical film, full merkin, but her loss as she won’t return my emails or texts.

ballsofsteelandfury

I love Jalen Ramsey.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Look at the size of that doob!

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bk109

GODDAMN IT, I thought I told you not to take pictures of me before my third pitcher of coffee!!!

Viva La Tabula Raza

He’s pretty astute; I guess he was studying finance when he quit school after his junior year to enter the 2016 Draft.

bk109

Morality of the crime aside (plot twist: I’m against such “establishments”), you should probably blame that pesky due process (y’know, the one that you’re willfully ignoring with the “get off” comment) or the utterly incompetent Florida officials that botched the whole thing for the prosecution’s majestic faceplant of a case. But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good narrative… speaking of which, over under on picks docked by the Ginger Hammer in a vain attempt to convince the world that the NFL gives a fuck about any crimes real or imaginary?

Dunstan

I haven’t followed this closely, but my impression has been (1) this is probably the “right” result legally; but (2) the average citizen wouldn’t have been able to get this result and would have pled out rather than spend six figures on top criminal defense lawyers to successfully fight this.

Col. Duke LaCross

Exactly, that’s the real crime here. The system as constructed is designed to insulate the ultra wealthy from punishments you and I would get for the same crime.

Getting off with a gentle slap and a tickle, “IT’S THE PATREEEEEUT WAY!”

Also, kinda weird that the maga chuds that are suddenly so interested in human trafficking are weirdly silent when it’s one of their own most prominent donors are very plainly busted for partaking in its services. Weird.

I’m not one to demean sex work, it should be available and regulated to the hilt for the safety of both clients and proprietors, but above all else it should be consensual. And what was going on at Orchids of Asia clearly was none of those things.

bk109

And what was going on at Orchids of Asia clearly was none of those things.

Based on what? The grandiose initial claims of the prosecutors and other local officials that were seeing “a future in politics” ™ or at least a way to erase at least some of the questions surrounding the gross negligence they displayed with the original Epstein investigations? Hell, lemme ask you a simple question – if the crimes were really as heinous as initially described, would the authorities be giving everyone but the high-profile catch walk with a slap on the wrist and a signed “I promise not to be a bad boy” affidavit or would they ALL be nuked from orbit…

As for the “system” you lads keep harping on about… May I make an observation as an outsider that has experience both with how “the western world” operates, may I make an observation that may be a bit harsh?

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Col. Duke LaCross

You’re going to anyway, may as well cut loose. Who am I to stop you?

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bk109

Actually, unlike what your preconceived (at at this point, obviously way off) notions on what I’m saying and why, I was actually asking for that because I didn’t want to inadvertently insult you or Dunstan. I guess that’s not exactly reciprocated, given that you rather quickly jumped straight to insults and snide comments and willfully misreading what’s being written.

Col. Duke LaCross

Also, yeah, the DA fucked up. NOBODY DENIES THIS! Butdude, MIIIIISTER KRAFT doesn’t need you white-knighting him. He’s not gonna let you give him a handy.

bk109

And I’m saying, but apprarently reading comprehension is no longer a thing across the pond is
A) due process wasn’t followed, which is a thing for a reason and wiretaps and the like are supposed to be done in accordance to the law unless we want to completely go 1984 done by
B)the people that did the investigation were in fact incompetent
C) (though stated first) I am against such establishments on principle
D)I asked how would the Ginger Hammer mismanage the situation yet again, because if he doesn’t ding us with a fine and draft picks – everyone will go after him or if he does, he opens himself for a lawsuit because he’s basically punishing someone, who for better or worse is innocent in the eyes of the law

Somehow that got translated to “Kraft is free, suck it” and not as a simple observation on how Duke was reacting to the news…

bk109

D) is what is gonna be “fun” to see, because there really is no right answer and half-measures will only get both sides to hate you.

Honestly, at this point Goodell may be praying for the pandemic as a way to punt the problem enough in the future that no one gives a fuck anymore

bk109

And I want your team’s QB to be caught drinking Lance Armstrong’s “Better Living Through Chemistry” cocktails, but we’ll both be SOL

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

The way I took what Duke said was more joke oriented “getting off again.”

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

You know damn well that only 61% GIF, 36% JPG, and the rest are actually just text.

Besides the only ejaculation GIF I have handy….

bk109

… I feel a disturbance in the force… it’s almost as if my future self got disgusted enough to resonate back through the time-space continuum

bk109

Ask yourself – “Do you REALLY want to see Kraft get a wank or a blowie? “

bk109

I did … and isn’t this from the Boondock Saints?

bk109

More like a bad pun (with more than a dash of whinging) and puns (from what I’ve been told) carry the death sentence online these days.

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Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Well a pun is a form of a joke. If terrible puns were a death sentence, I’d would have been long gone. I assume you mean whining? I guess that is the debate.

bk109

Nah, whinge, though it’s contextually interchangeable with whine. I guess this word hasn’t made the trip across the pond yet 😀 As for puns, given the stares and crickets the kiddos give me when I make the infrequent dad-adjacent joke… it is indeed a death sentence, it’s just that they haven’t decide who’ll do the honours 😀

Gumbygirl

I worked at the post office years ago. Military town, so there were a couple of those “spas.” The Asian girls would come in with their handlers to buy money orders- never sent home, always sent to the same guy in NYC that we called Mr. Big. They were coached on how much to buy so the federal paperwork didn’t kick in- I think it was under $10 k. The handlers never bought them, only the girls. They were very young, very thin, shabbily dressed, and obviously terrified of the handlers. We always reported it to the postal inspectors, but there wasn’t anything they could do. It was disgusting and tragic. Don’t tell me that’s a victimless crime, or that they aren’t being exploited.

bk109

Except that the State hasn’t actually proven that thanks to taking shortcuts (the wire taps) and thanks to incompetence on the side of the investigation I haven’t seen since leaving the shithole that is the Old Country

bk109

The thing is, if memory serves it’s the same people that fuckep up with Epstein (May he be sodomized by the Ballrog for eternity in MegaHell) and that they may’ve bothed shit in a vain attempt to unfuck that shitshow. Probably that’s why they did the slap on the wrist offers to … SERIOUSLY, what was the word for “whorehouse patron”, despite the grandiose claims given by the prosecution. Quick W and move on, but shit didn’t end that way

Senor Weaselo

It makes sense that it’s under $10k but even after multiple $9.9k money orders you’d think there’d have to be paperwork somewhere, right? I’m also guessing there was a second business that Mr. Big owned that worked as the proverbial laundromat.

Gumbygirl

I’m sure their activity was being monitored somewhere, at least I hope so, but they were careful to stick to the letter of the law. I think having the girls who worked there buy the money orders was part of it, it was spread out among enough people that it would leave a confusing paper trail. The money orders were certainly being laundered in New York.

bk109

Or car wash. As for money transfers, I think any reoccurring high 4 figures would raise all kinds of red flags, because when I bought my wife a GT500 for her birthday, for some reason the equal payments (one a day, because trying to pay in a lump sum kept freezing my account) earned me a friendly visit from our IRS equivalent (the Revenue Commissioners) .

Gumbygirl

They would buy many money orders, each one was under $600, the total amount of orders an individual could buy in a single day had to be under $10k. I didn’t make that clear, sorry.

bk109

… and the IRS (Feds/etc) turned a blind eye to a flurry of such transfers?! Fuuuck, I get single(ish) transfers getting somehow overlooked, but … tens of … <We interrupt this comment, because the user’s too busy cursing at the screen>

Gumbygirl

The envelope they sent them in went to Mr. Big. The individual money orders could have been payable to a bunch of different people who worked for him. Postal money orders are basically the same as cash, they can be cashed in at any post office. He probably had people going to the many branches in and around NYC and cashing them. No one would be able to trace that.

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bk109

Blah, this reminds me more and more of the 90s in the old country, only without the car bombs and the “sane” habit of kids (I started in 4th grade, bleh) packing remanufactured firearms to school, ’cause “the cops are the worst of the lot”.

bk109

…. Who said it was a victimless crime? I said that the onus was actually on the State to do its job and actually prove those statements in Court and that the prosecution was acting rather oddly by giving disproportionally low penalties to the … what is the word for “guy using escorts?” and that the only reason such stink was raised, was because someone with the means to fight back? That’s what raised my eyebrows initially.

Just to make it extra clear – if Kraft got burned, I’d have happily seen him forced to cede the team to his son and be banned from the NFL, because I DETEST “that sort of places” (helping to pay for the repatration of the brutally mutilated body of my then girlfriend’s sister may’ve made me fucking biased on that) and I think that anyone using that sort of a whorehouse should face the fucking music

Gumbygirl

I never said you were the one saying it’s a victimless crime, I was just saying that these creeps have figured out how to game the system, and are getting away with real crimes against vulnerable people.

bk109

Ah, I assumed I made an ambiguous statement and uh… Sorry about that.
As for the “System” – well, it’s always been like that on any level – from the lowliest municipal issues all the way to international relations, the best we can hope for is to unfuck things at least a little (but probably won’t, because corporations are people now… except when they have to pay taxes)

Dunstan

(returns to thread)

Wow, that escalated quickly….

bk109

Not really, after actually making my point across to people willing to give it a read before starting with the “white knighting” statements, it actually became a rather decent talk… It’d have been a bit better in a discord-like text chat setting, but .. that’s a battle for another day

Dunstan

It was just a joke about this turning into a 20-some post thread, not a commentary on any particular poster.

bk109

Damn it, second comment I’m misreading (first one’s from the lovely gumbygirl).. My insomnia’s definitely doing a number on my ability to read a room / context. Oh well, nothing some coffee (and an apology won’t semi-fix) …

Sorry for missing the joke / observation, unlike certain people, I know when I should plead guilty.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

This is one where I think a few things got misinterpreted and the “adversaries” are way closer in positions than the thread would indicate. I’m sorry I feel this way, since I like to be disagreeable.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

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Viva La Tabula Raza

Speaking of ethics, look who got off…again!

Probably cost him a lot more cheddar this time around.

Moose -The End Is Well Nigh

Kraft Singles!